Perhaps different unit sizes is partly the reason for the disagreements. I used 1 treb in most armies (to me 2 trebs/army feels excessive) - they are still as useful as before. Hear! Hear! I just finished my first 8 Princes campaign and did not really notice the treb nerf. They're still strong, just not cheese levels of strong where they enable blowing entire armies away with basic garrisons. In mid game I can use fire arrows to destroy towers or gates fast. I mean the killing power of towers is so weak now that, they rarely kill troops early game. I was not talking about using trebs against towers, I am sorry if it read that way. Second off, if you were using trebs against towers rather than the walls or the units means you were using them wrong (since archers > trebs against towers) In sieges they are worthless due to the towers becoming so weakįirst off, I believe the only towers that got nerfed were the minor settlement towers. And i mean really huge siege cannons which took hundreds of men to operate.Įarly siege weapons job was to shoot over walls and rain fire for people and buildings inside. Only after gunpowder it became possible and even then they needed huge siege cannons. People were not idiots, if they could have knocked down walls they wouldn't have wasted lives with siege ladders and towers. It just didn't happen it is pure fantasy.Ĭounterweight trebuchet 1000 years after game time could know down some not so thick walls, but even with them it didn't work against anything well fortified. It would have taken ages to knock them down. No, siege weapon couldn't break down walls. Targeting enemy troops with them is an afterthought. The primary purpose of a siege weapon is - and has always been - to break down walls and defenses. People are saying they should be used to knock down walls, but that was never their job, it was to hit troops that are massing.Ī trebuchet is a siege weapon. Well, that's very interesting! And that has some bearing on the use of trebuchets in the game. In 617 Li Mi (Sui dynasty) constructed 300 trebuchets for his assault on Luoyang. You do realise how many trebs would actually be needed for that?Ī single rank 1 trebuchet, using standard shot, destroyed a section of wall in under 90 seconds, using about 30% of it's ammo. If yes, then they're not "worthless" they're now doing exactly what they were always meant to do all along. Haven't had a chance to test try them out against settlements, but do trebuchets still knock holes in city walls in relatively short order? Few cannons and moving your troops in battles were totally unnecessary. I think that for most people cannons just made this game really really easy. If someone enjoy playing with cannons maybe game about 200AD warfare is not for him.Īnd yes, removing trebs and replacing them with artillery that actually existed 200AD would have been great, but I understand why CA didn't do it. I think it’s clear who is dramtising now? It’s not like the game force people to use trebs in every battle. Nerfing it completely remove the option for a certain group to enjoy the way it is. I bought the game using my own money ****. Vanilla game should be design to allow wide range of people an option to play the way they enjoy most without having a bunch of people telling you how it should/shouldnot be played. So why not totally remove the trebs to stay true to historical facts. This historical argument serve no purpose, selective argument at best and in no way could be link as an excuse to nerf trebs. Maybe some modder could add cannons, tanks and airforces for someone who like to have options. This should be historical game where available options are same that were available for historical generals. Not restricting options of others just to please certain group of people trying to impose the way the game should be played on other people. Treb is nerf way too much, bring back the original trebs.ĭesigning a game is all about giving options for players from a wide range an option to play how they want. 2K A Total War Saga: Thrones of Britannia.846 A Total War Saga: Fall of the Samurai.
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